8.17 The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get Reaction

One of the best episodes lately, what’d you think?

Not really. i think last week was alot better. The episode was okay at best.

i am sorry but i can only agree on the first point, about haley testing everyone out. that was funny and great.

everything else was just blah. Chloe and Haley having the baby’s at the same time.. no it’s more like brooke will have her baby, and maybe they’ll show haley having a baby.

no big surprise about the car when Nathan discovered it

chuck and chase.. really? i mean, really ?! all that to get glasses. and alex and ian, wtf random sht was that.

no mark, not your best work. from episode 12 to present has been choppy work at best. the whole mid season missed the mark, pun intended.

1. they practically ignored nathan as a father to be. they focus in on julian being a father more than nathan, nathan couldn’t even offer julian any talk about having kids, last time I checked, he was going to be a dad, what about nathan’s baby room!?

2. Naley fans have been thrown under the bus for the past SEVERAL episodes. V-day was disappointing, no talk of the baby. last week was the first real conversation about the baby since maybe episode 8.01. they didn’t give naley a SL at all this season despite the fact that haley is pregnant. They haven’t even made Nathan or Jamie part of the pregnancy. We couldn’t even see nathan’s reaction to having a girl and of course he got no say when naming the baby. Haley discussed it with Quinn first. Shouldn’t haley have told Nathan of her idea first and then run it by quinn?

3. how boring was brooke’s wedding. Yes the ceremony and everything was lovely. Good for Bju but what about everything else. There was no drama, nothing. They could’ve still had brooke have her day but other character’s could’ve had some drama but no nothing.

4. chase and chuck. It was cute for one episode and now, its too much.

5. why is quinn and clay so happy and carefree together. Why not give them so drama, why don’t they break them up. Why is julian so 1-dimensional. We got to see his mom but no other relatives or friends, or anything. He really felt like he was written in just to give brooke a husband. They completely watered down his character this season.

I’m looking forward to april but what’s annoying is that I’m more frustrated with the show than anything else. I fear what could be a juicy storyline with ian and finally giving something Nathan to sink his teeth into and get mad and angry about and show us some spark ,but I feel like its going to be wasted. Like what they’ve done with Nathan all season, wasted away.

i liked that it finally ended on a cliffhanger but overall, i just feel frustrated with the show ever since brooke’s wedding.

I know this is petty, I do…but Khloe is totally stealing Haley’s thunder. Seriously, I’ve spent this entire season moaning and groaning about how Nathan and Haley have hardly shared any moments concerning the pregnancy, and here Brulian and Khloe (is that her name?) come, swooping in out of the blue with their pregnancy experience just as Naley are reaching the finish line.

Haley went to her appointment alone, she told Jamie the sex alone, she chose the name herself and just told Nathan afterwards. This is a storyline I’ve been waiting for since season 5, that I was so excited for after the season 7 finale. And yet Brooke and Julian basically had the pregnancy moment I’d been waiting months for, getting the baby’s room ready, just being excited, together. What were Nathan and Haley doing? Nathan was off, playing beer pong, helping Julian pick baby room colors even though his own wife is ready to pop. And now that she’s giving birth, it’s obvious that Naley are going to be the B-storyline, the drama-less background that ultimately services Brooke’s possibly impending motherhood. I adore Brooke, and I usually have no problem with her screentime, but… This is just salt in the wound.

I generally found this episode emotionless and just a mouthpiece for Mark’s really long rant about cell phones, but, I am a disgruntled Naley fan, so nothing new here.

I have to agree with all the posts here. As a naley fan we have been cheated at what could have been an amazing pregnancy storyline but instead we have been shafted all season.

I love that Brulian are getting a baby but does it seriously have to trump over Naley’s kid?

I thought the episode was ok, nothing amazing and nowhere near the best episode of the season. I can’t stand Ian, and Chase and Chuck are getting annoying, Millie and Mouth are a snooze and Kellerman’s a douche! Bring back Dan!

**end lol not ned

Episode was great as usual. Naley has been fine this season, so what if they’re not the center of attention right now, they were for the previous 7 years! Complainers go away!

One way for me to feel like I was watching old OTH again is if they focus more on Naley since because both of those characters have been around since Season 1.

I actually found Haley testing everyone kinda annoying. I liked it at first but then it just got old. I wish they had done more with her than just running the same joke over and over. I actually think I would have been okay with it if they had her do other things too (Note: I KNOW this is impractical due to Joy’s pregnancy. I’,, just sayin…).

Yay for baby proofing. But I really hope they don’t paint the babies room black. Good thing Julian didn’t faint when Chloe said she was pregnant.

OOOOO Kellerman, tisk tisk. I knew that this was going to happen (as much as I try not to I read spoilers), but I didn’t know how we would find out. That was good.

So sad we have to wait over a month for the next chapter (although the next three weeks at school are INSANE for me, so not having OTH to distract me may be a good thing)

ps- site mods idk if it is just my computer but one of the ads on the sight cuts off the very right hand side of the comment box so you cant read the last few letters you type. Just an FYI.

Horrible episode, as a NH fan I feel totally upset with the writers. They don’t seem to care about NHJ & baby at all.

I honestly was a big fan of this episode. It got much better after the half hour mark but honestly, I didn’t like the first 30 minutes much. What is with all of the random dialogue? Quinn’s song was kind of cute only because I do stupid stuff like that when I’m alone too but when they kept going with that stupid toaster pastry product placement BS, I was getting annoyed. The scene with all the guys was another example of a scene that went nowhere because of stupid dialogue. What was with the phone crap? It was like they were trying to fill time.

As I said, it got much better in the second half (mostly thanks to the better dialogue) the twist with Ian was good although I have no idea where they’re going with him and Alex. I like that they are putting her with Chase again though. I’m so happy for Brooke but I honestly feel like this is the episode where the focus should have been on Naley and I do hope the focus is on them next episode cause Brooke’s baby storyline really has taken up the past 5 seasons. They should give Brooke some really great moments but the focus should be on them.

Stupid episode with so many miss opprotunities. I agree with all the Naley comments and I hated Brulian more in this episode than any other. That whole scene in the paint store was cringe worthy!!! I hate that Chloe is having the baby at the same time with Haley, because it will ALL focus on how excited Brulian are……… sickening! I really wish Brulian would go off to LA, but no such luck. Julian fainting????? Nathan the robot!!! End it!!!

I don’t really understand all the hostility over Haley’s SECOND pregnancy. She’s had a kid for years now, and yes, it’s great she’s getting another one before the series ends, but come on, it’s normal to not focus on someone’s SECOND pregnancy all the time. Brooke, on the other hand, has wanted a baby for YEARS, it’s not something they just threw in at the last minute to purposely dilute the second pregnancy of Haley and steal her reproductive thunder. Brooke had whole seasons where she had like one kissing scene and nothing interesting whatsoever, while her entire love life history was rewritten, but the complaining was NOTHING like what is so relentless on every single website.
I like NH a lot, and their Valentine’s Day scenes were the best of that episode, why can’t people just understand she’s REALLY pregnant and perhaps that affected some of the scenes, timing, etc.
I’m so tired of all the relentless negativity – so what if Brooke gets a baby at the same time? It the END of the show. The Nathan Scott household has been featured for years and years. We’ve had shows featuring Haley’s singing for years and years, yet nothing is ever enough it seems like.
That having been said, I was a little disappointed with the episode too, although I did like the random dialogue and stuff, it’s kind of pointless but also strangely entertaining because we all have those kind of weird conversations. And product placement never bothers me – I think it’s weirder when shows always show people drinking generic soda and eating generic cereal and whatever, it doesn’t seem authentic.
(I think the adoption story would’ve been better too, weenie, by the way. I always think it’s noteworthy when we agree on something).

Totally agree with Bootsie. Could not have said it better. While I could always use more Naley moments, and have been disappointed by the lack of the old Naley romance, it’s difficult with Joy herself having a baby. Besides, with Brooke’s kind of disappointing wedding (there was just something missing, I was expecting more, even though she was beautiful and it was sweet, still…), why shouldn’t she have some thunder of having an exciting baby storyline? She’s been wanting a baby for years and she deserves this. Also with Haley’s labor and finding out Kellerman is responsible for the accident, I think we will get to see Nathan as caring and protective husband, father, and friend. So let’s be patient, I think the characters and story will be redeemed.

Some other thoughts (bear with me)
- Chloe seems a little strange. Maybe I’m just jaded with all the psychos of the past but something is a little off about her. With Brooke’s bad luck, who knows maybe Chloe will change her mind.
- Ian Kellerman might be the baby daddy. Something she said in one of the scenes makes me think this and besides OTH has a way of connecting everything and everyone in some strange ways. No complaints. I happen to like the weird connections. It’s TV after all.
-The old station wagon and the expensive looking drink makes me think that the drive could be Prof. Kellerman not Ian. Again, OTH kind of twist>
- The obvious product placement and random talk def weird, but whatever we all do it.

OH GOD ANOTHER POINTLESS EPISODE? I SEEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING NALEY ARE HAVING A BABY, ARE THEY REALLY? I THOUGHT THE WHOLE SHOW REVOLVED AROUND BROOKE AND JULIAN, I HAD NO IDEA THERE WERE ANY OTHER CHARACTERS.

AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GET RID OF THAT HIDEOUS ACTRESS, SHANTEL. SHE CANNOT ACT AND HER CHARACTER BRINGS NOTHING AT ALL TO THE SHOW. CLAY USED TO BE OK BUT HE IS POINTLESS NOW TOO

TOO MUCH BRULIAN + QUINN = GARBAGE

It’s suppose to be *always*

PEOPLE you want Joy to have fake sex while she is REALLY pregnant?! The entire show was almost always Naley! Give Brooke a chance gosh!
JOY WAS REALLY PREGNANT WHEN THESE EPISODES WERE SHOT. seriously, how much do you expect a pregnant woman to do?!
For all you Naley lovers out there, give Joy a break okay?

maybe they are trying to get the other characters involved more so they can take over season 9? i doubt Joy is going to come back now she has a new baby in real life, and no Haley means no Nate and no Brooke. So maybe they are including the new characters so much so they can be the new ‘core characters’ of season 9

It’s not about not having NH “sexy” scenes, it’s about not having NH scenes period! Lol I don’t understand why almost all Haley and Nathan scenes are with other people except with eachother!

To the people who are saying the Naley complainers should consider that Joy is actually pregnant: first off, I agree with smb, I’m not even hoping for remotely sexy scenes anymore, that’s like begging for gold when you don’t even have bread. I just want some meaningful scenes, scenes with some kind of emotional intimacy (cough, 8.01 cough), sweet, even cheesy scenes, rather than Nathan calling Haley a dork and just going over each other’s schedules on their way out the door. I want to see proof that they actually love each other, because for the first time in eight seasons, it’s starting to feel forced to me.

Second, I love and respect Joy and her right to have a personal life. But I don’t understand why Joy being pregnant in real life should influence the portrayal of intimacy between two FICTIONAL characters. None of the fake kissing, the touching, whatever, is supposed to mean anything to the two actors, it’s just choreography. And because it doesn’t mean anything, it shouldn’t matter what is going on with the actors’ personal lives behind the scenes. If it does mean something to either of them, they’re doing it wrong, and James and Joy know this, they’re professionals. Pregnant actresses have worked long and hard to dispell the notion that being pregnant affects their ability or willingness to perform.

It is, obviously, Joy and Michael’s prerogative to feel how they want about depictions of Joy’s body on screen, so if do honestly feel uncomfortable with it, it’s not my place to judge. However, if this is the case, then as a fan, I personally wish they’d have let Joy leave the show, or take an extended leave of absence, because watching Nathan and Haley being depicted like they no longer are really involved with each other’s lives is worse than not having them on my screen but knowing that they’re still happy and in love. JMO.

Lastly, to the posters who point out that Naley have had their moment in the sun, I’d just like to say that, I don’t think complainers like myself are asking for anything more than just maintaining the Naley relationship the way it has been for the last 7 years. Especially if this is the last season, this is the time that we would like to spend the most time with our favorite characters before we have to say goodbye. I would also like to snort at the notion that Naley have EVER had the spotlight before season 7. They’ve always been treated as the secondary or tertiary storyline. The difference with this season (and season 6, which I hate less thanks to this season) is now they don’t have a storyline at all. At best, they’re the comic relief. Anyways, apologies for the rant. Looking forward to the hiatus.

i loved the baley scene when brooke said clamp your kness together like you should of done 9 months ago lol

is it just me or has Rob Buckley gained weight?

Who cares what you think about my rants @alex, you’re pathetic for thinking I’m pathetic for having an opinion that doesn’t coincide with yours and from the looks of it I am not the only one complaining about it. Read @alex76 long and very well said and well written rant. A great many of us feel the same way and to call someone pathetic well……..it is just so pathetic when you have no other response and you deep down know people are right!!!!

@haley? OMG I thought the exact same thing! Rob’s face look a bit… wider?

What have happend? One Tree Hill was the best show ever. Season 1-6 & especially 1-4! those seasons is GREAT! love every episode of it! Honestly, i enjoyed it more when they went to High School. A lot more. But season 5 & 6 were great & season 7 was also pretty good, but season 8, WTF? Or, i enjoyed some episodes actually, especially the one were jamie & brooke almost died & i LOVED the hangover-episode! But Brulians wedding, it was good, sure, but not near as good as Leytons & Naleys second wedding. I LOVE One Tree hill, but season 8 .. it’s just not One tree hill! The first seasons were so damn good, love them! Season 6 had a great ending, they could have stopped there. But still, season 8 is good! But not as near as season 1-6. Sorry for my bad english.

OTH ended for me right after 8×13 (2)